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eli
eli
A year with the IndieWeb eli.li
jack
jack

@eli Nice! "Sloppily" describes my approach perfectly :). I need to fix that.

mikehaynes
mikehaynes

@eli Great post Eli, thanks for sharing.

eli
eli

@mikehaynes thanks! I had a lot of fun writing it. I've been meaning to write this for a while, but only just got around to it (luckily in time for my IndieWebIversary)

amit
amit

@eli A good write-up. Everytime some piece from IndieWeb fits well, it’s gives a great feeling. I am always split on supporting different post types though. Especially likes.

eli
eli

@radiopetushki I could certainly add my post to my user page on the wiki, at a minimum. It is a publicly editable wiki, so anyone can add a post. I'm both heartened, and terrified to hear that Pneumatic Post is being used by anyone else! I'd love to see what you've cleaned up. I've cleaned up the micropub endpoint a heap since I initially released it. You've inspired me to re-double my open sourcing and cleaning up what I'm running.

eli
eli

@radiopetushki re: JSON Feed, the biggest issue I've run into, is that I should a) nest my extensions, and b) probably remove the extensions completely. No reader in the universe will ever support my custom extensions, so I need a different way of delivering the content stored in extensions to subscribers. The JSON Feed is really the backbone of how all data is displayed internally, though, so I've been lazy, and not cleaned that all up.

eli
eli

@radiopetushki ...and only now do I realize I know you in real life 🤦‍♂️

dgold
dgold

@eli why not have two jsonfeeds? One with all your extensions, one without? Does that make any sense for you?

eli
eli

@dgold that is exactly what I need to do. Just...so...lazy…

eli
eli

@radiopetushki not even remotely!

simonwoods
simonwoods

@eli As has been mentioned, this is a great post for highlighting the not-so-obvious path that a lot of people interested in the IndieWeb can take. It helped re-affirm my assessment of my own situation, which only makes it easier for me to spend time and energy on monitoring IndieWeb stuff even though I'm not ready to jump all-in right now. Thanks!

eli
eli

@radiopetushki interesting. Why do you say that? The indieweb is predicated on basing identity off of domain name, it is very possible to completely disassociate you-IRL from your indieweb presence. This makes the indieweb a powerful tool for citizen journalism, because it doesn’t require any sort of central authority, nor any single point of authentication (especially since indieauth can work off of GPG key alone). So, as long as a domain name isn’t directly linkable back to your identity you can remain more or less anonymous on the indieweb.

JohnPhilpin
JohnPhilpin

@eli great article - thank-you and bookmarked so I can keep going back to it, full of interesting information and links that it is.

@manton has made micro blogging really easy - and it is great - but there is so much more that is possible - IF - and that’s the rub - IF you have the technical chops.

Here is a question I am asking of all in this thread. How do we make indie web really approachable. I am not technically naive - knowing enough to know what I don’t know if you will. But I am often lost by some of the dialogue in here.

The OUTCOMES I want. But the descriptors to get there - well - I can manage sometimes, but often not.

How do we start to fix this? Not for me - but a whole host of people who would do this if it all didn't seem so daunting.

JohnPhilpin
JohnPhilpin

@mmarfil makes sense to me ;-)

amit
amit

@JohnPhilpin @eli My hope is platforms one day will bake the IndieWeb principles in. Till then plugins (exist for WP) and themes (many for Hugo/Jekyll) will enable IndieWeb. It should take people at least to level 2 or even 3 if not further.

eli
eli

@amit GREAT post! 🙌 @JohnPhilpin I totally agree that the learning curve is still a bit steep for the IndieWeb. It is still very much for nerds, by nerds. I've been kicking around an idea — trying to figure out how to element the need for a hosting provider/domain name to really participate in the indieweb. I think that could be accomplished, and a system built by leveraging the decentralized web…but that, too, has a steeeeeeeeeeeeep learning curve. BUT! folks are most certainly working on it — myself included (although, I am far from a genius dev.).

manton
manton

@JohnPhilpin @eli We have to keep making the apps more approachable and easier to set up. I think Micro.blog is a step forward in terms of ease of use, but there's more to do.

eli
eli

@manton micro.blog is 100% a step forward, more than one step at that!

manton
manton

@eli Thanks!

seishonagon
seishonagon

@eli “Pneumatic Post” is so apt! Exactly captures the retro-techno feel of the Indieweb.

seishonagon
seishonagon

@eli from my “semi-techie” perspective, i feel like I know just enough to be dangerous to my website 😬. Those of us who can’t write code could maybe manage a centralized documentation effort to help people jump start their indieweb journey? //@mmarfil @JohnPhilpin

jeremycherfas
jeremycherfas

@mmarfil I have to disagree. I have found almost all the indieweb people I have met through IRC (a challenge, I know, but the Slack bridge works well) to have been welcoming and helpful. They have advanced my understanding, knowledge and ability.

jeremycherfas
jeremycherfas

@seishonagon Please come and help make the indieweb wiki the kind of documentation you would like. There’s a lot of gardening to be done.

frank
frank

@eli what a nice writeup and how inspiring. I will reread it more in-depth and compare it to my own situation. "Sloppy" and even "flying blind" might describe my own journey as well. Thanks for your time and energy to give this to the community!

johnjohnston
johnjohnston

@eli This is great stuff. A slightly different meaning of the word 'sloppy' than I use. As a much less technical person I can teach real sloppiness😬. I'm never going to do much more than enable a plugin or tweet my theme but this sort of post helps me believe indieweb has legs.

renem
renem

@eli thank for the write-up! I’m just 4-5 months into the Indieweb but can second your thoughts. Since I’m running a static site, it’s even more complicated regarding Micropub, etc. I’ll have a look into your automatic Telegraph webmentioning.

mrkrndvs
mrkrndvs

@jeremycherfas i concur re: IRC / Slack group being helpful.

daiwei
daiwei

@jeremycherfas when @mmarfil wrote "I for one, relate to indieweb, but find it extremally unwelcoming to people in general" he wasn't talking about people (English isn't my mother tongue, but that is how I understood it), but the technology -- you know, the Frankestein that indieweb is 😂.

JohnPhilpin
JohnPhilpin

@manton ! Micro.Blog is a big step forward and I know you are on a journey ... and you have in this network a group of people who want you to succeed ... my point is really to the wider topic ... take specifics like webmentions, micro pub endpoints .... hell, even css .... its those worlds that we need to wrap our heads around ... most people will - quite rightly - ask ‘why?’

Part of my life is in digital identity! self sovereignty et al ... it’s the same challenge ... making the general public ‘woke’ to what is going on and trying to get those that know so much to lower the barrier to entry and decrease the slope of the learning curve so more people see why they should be on board - and do get on the bus.

The ‘ masses ‘ were once controlled through opium dens, this time it is more insidious.

unoabraham
unoabraham

@amit Pointers please to Hugo themes made for IndieWeb. Going to be dipping my toes into Hugo next... so it's a good time to test the IndieWeb waters again after not getting the desired results with WP.

PS: I'm loathe to let go of the control WP gives non-coders like me.

jeremycherfas
jeremycherfas

@mrkrndvs BTW, did you see my note to you there about getting my ZenPress child spacing as I wanted it?

jeremycherfas
jeremycherfas

@mmarfil @daiwei OK, perhaps I was being over defensive. My apologies. I agree that the technology can seem difficult, and part of the reason for that is that there are so many different ways to reach the same end point. All I will say is that I still find bits of it very difficult, but it has been the helpfulness of the people that makes the technology easier to grasp.

kaa
kaa

@daiwei I find the friction on Mb to be pretty low. I do think that minding out who else is on the network to be more difficult and the lack of search or # makes things harder, but hopefully that will mature eventually

jeremycherfas
jeremycherfas

@mmarfil And my point is that you can make it happen, a little at a time.

daiwei
daiwei

@kaa we are talking about implementing the indieweb technologies on your own, not about micro.blog.

kaa
kaa

@daiwei why would I want to do that exactly? For a fair price I have someone do it all for me. Having that in place is the entry that I need. Sure you can do it on your own, but I don’t bake my bread every morning or milk a cow either

daiwei
daiwei

@kaa because that is what this whole "conversation" is about! Starting here.

klandwehr
klandwehr

@eli Great article, although I probably should not have read it at 11:00 PM last night, because it took me down the Indie-web rabbit hole.

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eli
eli

@klandwehr yeah, I have 100% been there before! I think that is exactly how my indieweb journey started, at 10 PM on a weekday 😬

jeremycherfas
jeremycherfas

@kaa I do bake all my bread, but I don’t have a cow to milk. Does that make me an indieweb developer? Of course not. Just one of the things I like to do.

mrkrndvs
mrkrndvs

@jeremycherfas nope, missed that. Where did you share that note?

jeremycherfas
jeremycherfas

@mrkrndvs IRC. Here's a link

amit
amit

@unoabraham actually there aren’t many I am aware. I know @dgold has open-sourced his, even I have done so for mine. However, you can select any and try some customizations. You will find many references.