@manton Hey! I've been catching up on Timtetable; I particularly enjoyed episode 69 as it gets at the core of the strengths of Micro.blog and the open web. I had a question about using audio from other sources, if you don't mind answering?

@simonmumbles Sure, what do you want to know? Disclaimer: I'm not a copyright lawyer but generally think including 10-15 seconds of something to comment on is fair use.

@manton I was mostly curious if you sought permission as a blanket rule or not?

My assumption is that it depends on each case but I enjoyed your use of Under the Radar and thought that might be muddier waters to tread in; initial feeling is that those guys would be cool with it but then also that show is part of a business. I think about the idea behind "It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission." and how that sounds great but doesn't necessarily work too well in practise. (sorry for the word dump!)

@Zak There's no hard and fast rule for what counts as "fair use". For example, if you were to use 60 seconds of a 120-second long work, that would likely not count as fair use because it would be reproducing a significant portion of the work.

@simonmumbles unfortunately Fair Use is very unpredictable Lawrence Lessig once called it “the right to call a lawyer” it’s is suppose to cover Uses for criticism, commentary, news reporting, research, scholarship, and teaching are identified in the statute as examples of favored uses. Noncommercial uses are generally more likely than commercial uses to be fair. The amount of time usually doesn’t come into play. If it’s actually fair use. But it’s always best to seek permission first. Some more tips cmsimpact.org/codes-of-... it’s a minefield mind

@simonmumbles I didn't ask. I view the audio snippets like a block quote. For me to be comfortable with it the length should feel equivalent to quoting 2-3 sentences out of a blog post.

@manton That's a good rule of thumb. And the quoted audio should not end up being a "substantial" part of your work. As long as you have enough of your own original content in there, seems fair to be able to quote short snippets from others.

@manton Yeah good point; quoting from posts is literally the basis for the livelihood of many indie writers. Sounds like between that and @aaronpk's advice that it's not too complicated.

@simonmumbles that sounds like fair use and I like the appproach, sounds good to me, unfortunately the rules of citing and quoting of text even for educational purposes is still much more pain for visual and audio media. Copyright has gotten better recent(ish) but it’s copyright is so out of date and misapplied these days.