I’m the worst. I think I’d enjoy it if Basecamp went bankrupt over this

@hjertnes I’m thinking of the customers, those who use their software.

@crossingthethreshold 🤷‍♂️ this stuff happens all the time. They’ll find someone else go give them something similar

@hjertnes In 3 months no one will remember what everyone got so worked up about. Or that they were worked up at all. Except for maybe the knee-jerkers who quit in a huff and now work somewhere they actually have good reason to dislike. (This is my working theory, anyway :) ).

@jack @hjertnes Also, according to my research I'm almost entirely alone on this. Not the first time.

@jack I agree with you Jack. I haven't read too much on the matter, but I've seen the noise in various places. I have a personal policy of avoiding talking politics on official work channels, mostly because I disagree with a lot of the 'woke' stances and I've had enough of being called names in response to things.

@jack I don't know if you're alone. If you're not, your compatriots are very quiet. I ended up in the anti-Basecamp camp but by very different means than others. I think a company has every right to ask employees not to do certain non-company related things on company time and tools. I'm a teacher and violating those rules will get me fired on the spot. But when I learned those policies were enacted to cover up the owners' own wrongdoings, that's where I drew the line. So I am sympathetic to your viewpoint and understand how you got there eventhough we ended up with different conclusions.

Admission: I was already not a fan of DHH and Jason anyway for wholly unrelated reasons.

@jack you are advertising your privilege with statements like these

@philbowell "my privilege allows me to ignore things like this"

@ricky thanks for proving my point. You know nothing about me and the first thing you do is call me a name.

@philbowell privilege is not a name

@ricky "When You're Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression."

@ricky ok, it’s not a name but you don’t know I’m privileged. I’m not special, I don’t get special rights or advantages.

@ricky I’m a Christian, I am witnessing many people who share my beliefs be taken to court for standing up for their beliefs. That’s not privilege.

@philbowell what would Jesus say?

@ricky @philbowell Just a reminder to keep things civil. It looks like this debate has gotten personal and way off from the original topic.

@philbowell are they blessing those who persecute them? Giving away their undies when sued for their coat?

@JMaxB why it’s all so alarming is that from the outside Basecamp/Hey have looked a pinnacle of being counter-culturally a workplace that’s not a slog/grind and is supportive of their employees being whole persons who have lives outside of work. They’ve written multiple good books on it, even, and created tools that help have better human interactions.

They’ve betrayed a lot of their own published advice (like: don’t make policies based on an incident, handle the problem instead and don’t let it be a pattern that needs a rule) in how they handled recent events in their company.