Mastodon and public data: manton.org
“If there are no technical differences between blocking a rogue Mastodon server and a Bluesky bridge, what are people truly concerned about?”
That’s what bugs me since the beginning of this polemic. Probably mainly misconceptions about Bluesky. Or the fear of an “instance” as big as the Fediverse.
@Kye He is not an asshole. I’ve been following his work for years and know he approaches these kind of problems thoughtfully. And even his initial post announcing this mentioned privacy and welcomed feedback.
@manton When I look at some of the posts on Mastodon, I get the feeling that there’s a form of communitarianism that’s specific to this alternative, decentralised and committed social network. A lot of people there are more activists than sharers.
@manton.org When I look at some of the posts on Mastodon, I get the feeling that there’s a form of communitarianism that’s specific to this alternative, decentralised and committed social network. A lot of people there are more activists than sharers.
@manton On Bluesky, at least so far, people seem to be much more open-minded and take themselves less seriously. Personally, I interact a lot more here, as I did in the early years of Twitter.
@manton.org On Bluesky, at least so far, people seem to be much more open-minded and take themselves less seriously. Personally, I interact a lot more here, as I did in the early years of Twitter.
@manton.org I think it’s a shame that interoperability causes such rejection, but I’m not surprised.
@manton "My concern with some Mastodon users (again, not everyone!) pushing back against interoperability with non-Mastodon platforms is that it moves Mastodon away from the open web"
I think part of the problem is that Bluesky chose the non-open option in that there were already a W3C standard and they chose to do their own thing, which doesn't feel very open web. I wonder if there would be less complaining if they were using ActivityPub.
@wezm @manton See, this is exactly the thing he is complaining about in the original post! The attitude that ActivityPub must be the be-all-end-all of social networking on the internet, and that somehow Bluesky trying their own AT Protocol somehow detracts from Mastodon and ActivityPub 's usefulness.
Half of the people complaining wouldn’t even know and understand anything about this if the bridge were to just go online and do its thing with no announcement whatsoever. They’d just be getting posts from @someone@somehandle.atproto.bridgy or something. It’s an open network bridge with another open network. Like Matrix and IRC.
I really don’t understand the complaints and definitely don’t see how it warranted brigading and name-calling.
@Kye I don’t think Ryan was being an asshole. He just didn’t understand Mastodon users.
>They expect consent for anything they do with their data.
@khurtwilliams
> He just didn’t understand Mastodon users.
some mastodon users… A FEW. Who seemingly don’t understand public posting means the same thing as placing a note on a bulletin board in a park or making a classified in a newspaper or even Craigslist; the innanet does not care about your mile long FAQ for consent to whatever you posted online for everyone to see. Unless that post is encrypted and password protected, it’s subject to being copypasta’d, remixed, and ganked just like anything else on the open web… As it should be.
Don’t want your feelings hurt by some interloping 14 year old trying to be edgy? Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp, private Matrix rooms and Discord are all there. Mastodon (and ATProto) were not built for that kind of privacy and actually are coded to be as open and flexible as possible… These folks are using the wrong tech for their use case.