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@khurtwilliams But you are splitting your micro posts on another Mastodon instance, right? Why not blog micro posts also on WordPress using the Asides format?
@islandinthenet.com Ah! I thought you were only sending photo posts to photog.social. But you are sending everything there. So technically, the photog.social is your Mastodon presence and WordPress is your ActivityPub.
NOTE: Webmention support from WordPress to micro.blog is not as expected. it works perfectly with other Webmention endpoint though. I suspect something weird in how Manton has implemented things. I just realized that none of my comments made via WordPress made it back to you. I'm crossposting manually.
I don’t post on micro.blog anymore.
Micro.blog pulls in my self-hosted WordPress posts via RSS/JSON feed. WordPress sends my posts to photog.social via ActivityPub. The blog itself can be followed directly from micro.blog or Maston by following @khurtwilliams on those platforms.
I’ve had Wedmention support on my self-hosted WordPress since 2017. Micro.blog also supports Webmentions. Any comments on micro.blog should appear back on the WordPress post. Any replies from my WordPress should also be sent back to micro.blgo via Webmentions.
I use Brid.gy to back feed the comments from photog.social to my self-hosted WordPress.
do not want to pollute my RSS feed with short posts.
@pratik, yes! That’s how I think it’s supposed to work. ActivityPub and Webmention support across platforms can be spotty.
Some known issues exist with the ActivityPub WordPress plugin.
@khurtwilliams This all sounds too technical and no wonder I didnt hear back in nearly three months. I could’ve snail-mailed you my comment instead
@pratik we have some people like @jsonbecker saying Webmentions work on micro.blog but I state, with a tinge of anger and annoyance, it does not. And the documentation in incorrect. I mentioned this to @manton but he's been too busy to fix any of it.
@pratik FYI. Go look at the original blog post. You can clearly see that my self-hosted WordPress blog is receiving Webmentions correctly. Something is off with the way that micro.blog receives Webmentions replies.
@khurtwilliams I bet. I was half-joking 🙃 Just that this all seems like lots of tinkering. I have done that in the past but don't have the time now.
@pratik I just want Webmention replies to work so that the next time you comment from micro.blog to one of my post you don't think I'm ghosting you. :smile:
It's really challenging to read broken links to documentation: https://help.micro.blog/2017/webmention/
@khurtwilliams I'm following your account on Mastodon too so will reply there. I might unfollow you on Micro.blog since the replies are not working. I assume the posts are the same.
@khurtwilliams i recieve webmentions from your blog. They are webmentions, however, and not magical MB replies. MB supports receiving and sending webmentions, but it does not consider a webmention something to be converted into an MB reply. MB replies are not inclusive of webmentions. activitypub replies to posts are, however, considered replies in that way.
@khurtwilliams here’s an example of webmentions from you. 
I just have no interest in displaying webmentions. Just like I dont display replies.
@jsonbecker that's an interesting statement to make considering what's written here.
If micro.blog can't handle Webmention replies, where is that documented?
@jsonbecker It seems like there might be a bit of confusion around our conversation. Here's what's happening: when a micro.blog user leaves a comment on a WordPress post that I've syndicated to micro.blog, that comment also shows up on my WordPress blog. In my reply, I make sure to include the right Webmention markup when I reply from WordPress. This means my WordPress blog sends a Webmention back to micro.blog, with the expectation that my reply will be displayed there too.
Do you think that's an unreasonable expectation? I'm keen to hear @manton's thoughts on this.
Do you recall this thread: https://help.micro.blog/t/webmentions-not-working/2066/2
@khurtwilliams I have no idea if that is meant to work. A reply to a reply is sending a webmention to a reply… a reply that has been pulled into Wordpress, and a reply which, itself, is not a post. I’m honestly unsure. I don’t think I know what I would expect. I don’t generally think of webmentions in my personal mental model as a mechanism for threaded replies. I think of it as something close to ping back/trackback style. “I’m informing you I wrote a post about your post” not conversation back and forth. That could be wrong, but my understanding of webmentions is not “this is a full conversation system”.
That said, I don’t build anything here and I’m not officially anything, just describing my own understanding.
@khurtwilliams and yes, I remember that thread and Manton saying “if you make the link point to the main post and not the comment you’re replying to, that seems semantically different than your expectation/description of desired action”— and that was set up on the sender side.
@islandinthenet.com I’m not sure I understand what this reply was meant to be? But I saw it as a reply to my earlier reply in Micro.blog even though it’s coming from your URL.
@jsonbecker there are no threaded comments on micro.blog so …. unsure what this rerers to.
In any case, replies to replies is how Webmentions work. That’s expected behaviour. If micro.blog doesn’t support that, perhaps @manton can document that.
@jsonbecker isnt it odd that some of the replies on micr.blog are to @khurtwilliams and some are to @islandinthenet.com but all of my exchanges are via the only micro.blog account I have?
@khurtwilliams not to me— the ones from your website are webmentions sent from your website comments, which won’t know about your user name here, I’d imagine— at least that’s what I think is happening, which also seemed to be what you wanted?
@jsonbecker WRONG! none of those (or this) comments originated from my website. They originated here on micro.blog.
@khurtwilliams ok-- so I'll just have to read your mind I guess. I literally have no idea where your URL comes from and how your account is setup. But I'll repeat-- I am not a MB employee. I have no role here. I don't want one. I have generally tried to be helpful, and I've generally found your tone in various places to be pretty aggressive and unpleasant. I hoped to help, but clearly I am not helping. I'd appreciate it if you didn't use me as your personal webmentions test case-- I don't really have a desire to be your troubleshooter, and none of what you've posted gives me enough information to really help anyway. It seems to me like you're not getting the support or functionality you want, so it seems to me like this isn't the place for you at this point. It's been years.
It seems like we're both in need of some insights from @manton, as he's the expert on how micro.blog operates. Since you're not familiar with micro.blog, it might be best for us to wait for @manton's guidance. I appreciate your input so far, but it looks like this is something that only someone with direct knowledge can address.
Just to clarify, I wasn't seeking troubleshooting help, but rather trying to highlight some issues I've encountered, despite micro.blog's stated support for these features.
@khurtwilliams I'm looking into this again. Clearly something isn't quite right, but it is really difficult to unravel. I'll follow up on the help forums because that seems the best place.
