cleverdevil
cleverdevil

This is precisely why I prefer Micro.blog’s model. It’s decentralized for individual websites, but centralized from a network perspective, enabling strong community guidelines and enforcement.

https://twitter.com/SarahJamieLewis/status/1030569720527765504

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cleverdevil
cleverdevil

@chrislopez 👍🏻 I have a Mastodon account, but actively advocate against it because I can see the inevitable conclusion of its popularity, and it has the potential to be more harmful than Twitter.

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dgold
dgold

@chrislopez how does it have the bad of reddit? Genuine question, just that as someone who’s seen, on a detailed level, what the bad of reddit is (vicious homophobia, antisemitism, naked racism, appalling misogyny) I’m wondering where you see that in Mastodon?

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dixonge
dixonge

@dgold @cleverdevil @chrislopez So far I have seen nothing like the idiocy of Reddit or Twitter on Mastodon. Been there a year. Bad actors are blocked, moderation is fairly high. Bad admins or instances can be solved by moving to a different instance. Entire instances can be blocked by an individual. I agree with some of Sarah's points, but if @manton blocked your account you'd be completely unable to federate with anyone.

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cleverdevil
cleverdevil

@donblanco @dgold @chrislopez it definitely has many options for moderation, blocking, etc., but its based on a fundamentally decentralized model, which turns it into a game of whack-a-mole. Having a single, focused community with clear guidelines seems more workable to me. That said, I could easily be wrong!

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mdhughes
mdhughes

@chrislopez @dgold @donblanco @cleverdevil ActivityPub/Mastodon are nothing like Twitter or Reddit, which are tyrannies which encourage the worst people. Every AP instance is its own state, and if you're a jackass, you or your entire instance will be blocked from other instances.

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manton
manton

@donblanco @dgold @cleverdevil @chrislopez Can you explain more about the "unable to federate with anyone" comment? The goal with Micro.blog is that if you're blocked, you can still post to your own blog, keep RSS subscribers, etc. Federation might be one piece of the puzzle, but longer term I like an architecture with personal domain names for content ownership and smaller social networks as glue.

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dgold
dgold

@chrislopez but there’s really no comparison. I have an account on .technology, I don’t really “follow” anyone on that instance, and my home feed is full of people from different instances, a huge number of them. When I want to, i can look at the local feed which is, yes, like a subreddit, but that’s a tiny element of the user experience.

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dixonge
dixonge

@manton I just meant that micro.blog is a centralized networking service. If you blocked me (or deleted my account link) I would lose a lot of connections. This comment, for example, isn't on my own site anywhere (as far as I know). I'm typing it using the interface on micro.blog. Sure, if you booted me, I could still directly interact with everyone's sites off of micro.blog, but I don't exactly have a way to export a list of people I follow through your service. So it's a central point of failure, in that sense. If I get blocked somewhere on Mastodon, I can sign up on a new instance, import my following list and I will see the same timeline I've always seen. There's really no equivalent since there are no other servers anywhere 'federating' with micro.blog. Your service isn't that kind of thing. Which is cool, it's just different.

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manton
manton

@donblanco That's true, the goals are very different. I'm less concerned about following lists and more about the content: domain names and identity.

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