cambridgeport90
cambridgeport90

@Manton, this question is for you as the creator of this awesome place. What technology and/or paradigms would it take to build in the domain mentioning functionality that would trigger a webmention on the site of the mentioned domain? I want to be the one to eventually add that functionality to something like Wordpress or Known. That's not a Hugo specific thing, is it? Other CMSs have it, though rare.

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arush
arush

@cambridgeport90 @Manton If you have the webmention plugin installed on your WordPress, MB supports webmentions to your domain. It won't support pulling in replies from Twitter, but does for MB native and also Mastodon stuff if you've configured your MB to also work with Mastodon users.

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cambridgeport90
cambridgeport90

@arush @manton indeed I do have that installed, but the question is more on how to get other content management systems to support the same, so that people who don't have a MB site can do it, too? I normally start on my own site and then post back here. Is that functionality part of Micropub?

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arush
arush

@cambridgeport90 @manton For WordPress to MB, MB pulls from WordPress's generated feeds and doesn't publish via Micropub. YOu can, however, tell the MB apps on your phone to publish to your WordPress site by default, and that will use Micropub to publish if the indieweb plugins are installed and active. Otherwise I believe it'll use xmlrpc. Manton can correct me if I'm wrong on this. regarding getting CMSs to support webmention and other building blocks out of the box, yes that would be nice. In the WordPress case at least, part of the problem has to do with the way themes are coded. Currently, they support Microformats 1, not Microformats 2, so that leaves out most indieweb building blocks. MF2 is important because, when sending a mention back, it can come in the format of like, reply, ETC, not just "hey we linked to your site". I suspect the resistance on the WordPress side, where it exists, is due to "we're working on Gutenberg right now," which is taking up all of the rest of the core contribution oxygen. I suspect the resistance is also waiting for someone else to do the major adopting, like Google for example. My disagreement with that is "OK WordPress, you power something like 40% of all websites outside of Facebook and the Birdsite, so take the lead and support webmention out of the box."

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cambridgeport90
cambridgeport90

@arush @Manton ... then it's looking like it might be back to Withknown for me; seemingly that has more support for stuff out of the box. No, the Activitypub support is not as good at Wordpress's, though I am wondering whether it's a losing battle; I mean, why focus so much on a new editor that people have to jump through hoops to use? I have sighted friends who don't even like that thing, mind you. At this point, you're right, Webmention needs to be supported out of the box, even for business sites, not just personal ones. eventually the Indieweb is going to have to save the public and for- and non-profit sectors, as well. I still have a SEO plugin on my site, though, right now, that's the only way to be found. If I switch back to Known, then, that will be harder.

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manton
manton

@cambridgeport90 @arush There is a lot in this discussion so I'm not totally sure how to answer the question... But the way Micro.blog can "mention" domain names I don't think has an exact counterpart in other CMSes. WordPress with the Webmention plugin installed is probably the closest thing.

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