What in the fresh hell Feedly? Shipping this feature exposes a deeply broken culture and a lack of core values.
I’ve been self-hosting my feed aggregation for years, but if I were on Feedly still, I’d rage quit immediately.
@cleverdevil The protests stuff, right? I haven't been following it closely but it's confusing why this is even remotely related to Feedly's product. Bizarre.
@cleverdevil Wow. Thanks for the notice. I moved to NetNewsWire a while ago but realized I still had an old account there. Thankfully they have a typeform for letting them know why you're quitting.
@camacho yeah - i used to love Feedly - and was initially excited by their move into AI - but they lost the plot a few years ago - and thankfully at the time NetNewsWire came back - so moved there.
@cleverdevil Travel, facilities management, and many other support orgs, have been doing this sort of analysis forever. This just seems like opportunistic point and panic please look at me, look at me!
@cleverdevil Ugh. I've been ignoring all the little ai update blurbs or whatever that pop up in the app now and then as irrelevant to me. I gotta get the heck out of there now, don't I...
@bkryer @cleverdevil @cygnoir @darby3 @pcora @camacho @JohnPhilpin
I'm not unhappy that they are selling this information to the general public. I’m happy to know about these potentialities—I might want to join in, or avoid, for many different reasons.
What is the outrage pointed at...capitalism generally? Opportunistic software makers?
btw, I am educate-able. see footnotes just about everywhere.
@JohnPhilpin Well I think I saw it earlier. Feedly saying "hey, we have these packets of info to buy"...as creepy as it maybe....
@bkryer @cleverdevil @cygnoir @darby3 @pcora @camacho @JohnPhilpin
I mean, if this makes folks uncomfortable, consider what companies with years of accumulated data are doing privately to improve their market positions. Consider bundles of collections, like securities. But nary a word...
@bkryer @cleverdevil @cygnoir @darby3 @pcora @camacho @JohnPhilpin Or instead, BK:
People are finally paying attention to this type of thing and now it is easier to point out all of those other problems for people to take action.
Until Cambridge Analytica, I think most people thought of Facebook as a good company. Whilst in principal I agree with your point regarding selective outrage, we also have to be practical about how much of this information people ought to take on... I mean, we all have lives to live.
@bkryer consider that 5 ys of credit card xactions is magnitudes more valuable than your potential reaction to a potential situation. If only for reasons of personal safety I wouldn’t mind knowing before hand that 8 square blocks were going to be used to demonstrate some strong emotions for the next 24hrs+. I’m not everyone’s cup of tea, you see, and might not want to walk through. Or maybe my kids don’t...and so on.
@SimonWoods 4real Simon. I think my ingrained imagining of information navigation as some machete though the jungle exercise isn’t necessarily the best way to get to the knowledge, and can be off-putting to folks who might be of assistance getting there.
(side-note: my son would interject here "You need to be off pudding!" and we would laugh and laugh.)
@bkryer I love the idea that your son completely removed all of these other issues and cut right to the heart of self-care. Like so many children, a little oracle right there.
Yeah, I still have plenty of rants and feel disappointed at seeming ignorance of our wealthy societies. However, after 10 years as a voluntary full-time carer my stubborn brain has had to admit the importance of choosing my battles wisely and always keeping the big picture in mind. Much easier said than done, of course, since so much of the tidal wave of information we can so easily access has literally zero care for perspective at all.
@cleverdevil Looks like Feedly just said the quiet AI part out loud. Then they realized. Good job we still have the Internet Archive.
@bkryer From my perspective — I use Feedly as an RSS reader. The last thing I want an app like that to be is yet another algorithm with a specific editorial bias. It's creepy and weird and a clear signal to me that I'm not the target demographic or audience for the business they're trying to serve. So if/when I jump ship it's maybe less out of reactive outrage and more out of the dawning realization that it simply isn't the product or business I want to support and that it's not interested in supporting my needs.
@darby3 Yes, I can understand that, and feel the same way.
Feedly’s ai-genned whatevs is practically the opposite of what one would understand software billing itself as a "reader" would do or offer. It’s amazing what people will buy. I’ve been using DT3 (and nnw) since forever ago, so I’m spoiled, maybe, or fossilised without knowing it.
And thx (all in thread, really) for ignoring/excusing my flattening of situations into little paper mâché replicas so I can safely poke at them with righteous agitation. It can be annoying. I’ll try to keep it down.