manton
manton

Dave Winer:

People give Matt Mullenweg a lot of shit, but do they realize how hopeless the open web would be if he and his friends hadn’t kept it going for 20+ years.

Fascinating to imagine what the web would look like if WordPress didn’t exist. What would fill the void, and would it be as open?

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iChris
iChris

@manton Yes but... I'm really tired of the trope of the lone (usually male) saviour story about tech. And especially when said saviour turns out to be an ass about it. 😆

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samclemente.me
samclemente.me

@manton Same could be said for Tesla and the EV industry

Obviously, Mullenweg is not even remotely close to a comparable level of problematic as Musk, but there was a good decade where Tesla was the only widely known name in the space

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alexcartaz.bsky.social
alexcartaz.bsky.social

@manton Wait does bsky support renaming URLs now? Like actual hyperlink support?

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manton
manton

@iChris I generally think the recent criticism of Matt has been more negative than is justified, but I agree with you about the lone savior. It's not actually a good thing that a single platform has 60% share of the web. Much better to be split across smaller players.

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yury_mol@mastodon.social
yury_mol@mastodon.social

@manton There were (and are) a ton of CMS out there. Hard to fight WordPress when it exists, but something would be in its place regardless. Drupal, Joomla, another PHP Nuke fork.

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manton
manton

@samclemente.me It is wild to think back not that long ago when Elon was the hero. Sad, really.

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philsplace@mastodon.sdf.org
philsplace@mastodon.sdf.org

@manton

Moveable Type?

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manton
manton

@alexcartaz.bsky.social Not from the Bluesky app, but it does from the API. I post to my blog and Micro.blog translates inline links to Bluesky posts for me.

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Eggfreckles@mastodon.mit.edu
Eggfreckles@mastodon.mit.edu

@manton iWeb’ 08 FTW

This image is a promotional screen capture for iWeb '08, a web page design application.

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manton
manton

@Eggfreckles iWeb is actually a product that should still exist! A shame about that "WWW your life" tagline, though. 🤪

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Eggfreckles@mastodon.mit.edu
Eggfreckles@mastodon.mit.edu

@manton I was also a big fan of RapidWeaver until they nuked their developer community.

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jsit@social.coop
jsit@social.coop

@philsplace @manton Not free as in beer

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dave
dave

@manton I was mainly writing that for Matt, but I'm glad you picked up on it Manton. You make a huge mostly unappreciated contribution to the open web. Matt does too, and even he doesn't see it that way. I think his product is going to become central to the rebirth of the open web for the simple reason that much of the open web is also the product. How did we miss that? As Yogi used to say "You can observe a lot by just watching."

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markstoneman
markstoneman

@manton There's a logical flaw in that counterfactual argument in that it is a counterfactual argument. @ichris Hard agree about the lone savior crap.

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CarolynStirling@mastodon.nz
CarolynStirling@mastodon.nz
@manton

@billbennett I had a Wordpress blog many years ago.

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billbennett@mastodon.nz
billbennett@mastodon.nz
@manton

@CarolynStirling It was great for a long, long time. Then suddenly it veered off in a different direction and became an ordeal.

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bgrinter@mastodon.sdf.org
bgrinter@mastodon.sdf.org

@manton drupal? Joomla? Neither reached the level of Wordpress

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isaiah@mastodon.social
isaiah@mastodon.social

@Eggfreckles @manton i’m right here!!!

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adders
adders

@philsplace There was a short-lived fork of Movable Type called Open Melody that I had high hopes for. Ah, well.

I'm amused, as a Movable Type user back in the day, that static site generators are all the rage again… It was one of the big criticisms of MT in the late 2000s.

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adders@masto.onemanandhisblog.com
adders@masto.onemanandhisblog.com

@philsplace There was a short-lived fork of Movable Type called Open Melody that I had high hopes for. Ah, well.

I'm amused, as a Movable Type user back in the day, that static site generators are all the rage again… It was one of the big criticisms of MT in the late 2000s.

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philsplace@mastodon.sdf.org
philsplace@mastodon.sdf.org

@adders

I loved MT and have dabbled with the idea of getting it running in a docker container and using it again.

FWIW, before MT came along I was using Greymatter… which was also using Perl and created static sites.

I really think that static site generators are the best of both worlds… easy generation and top performance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greymatt

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adders
adders

@philsplace Oh, I remember looking at Greymatter before settling on MT. My journey was Livejournal -> Blogger -> MT -> WordPress -> Ghost

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adders@masto.onemanandhisblog.com
adders@masto.onemanandhisblog.com

@philsplace Oh, I remember looking at Greymatter before settling on MT. My journey was Livejournal -> Blogger -> MT -> WordPress -> Ghost

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