schuth
schuth

@jamesshelley I found this worked well for Minneapolis, Seattle, Paris, & Moscow. San Diego suffers, mostly because of the ubiquity of SoCal’s dismal freeways. But specific neighborhoods (Pacific Beach, Point Loma, Gaslamp) faired well. Perhaps it’s near-great.

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schuth
schuth

@jamesshelley Certainly not in a city. I can think of some beautiful stretches on I-90, I-70, and even I-10, but none of those are close to an urban environment.

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jean
jean

@jamesshelley If your city has bridges as part of the landscape, you might have a bridge that carries an interstate highway that is also beautiful. For Portland, that's the Fremont Bridge.

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schuth
schuth

@jamesshelley Indeed!

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Ron
Ron

@macgenie And of course one of the first things people think of about San Francisco is the Golden Gate Bridge.

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ciaran
ciaran

@macgenie Although I would say that the Fremont is beautiful despite being a freeway. It would be more beautiful if it weren't...

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JohnPhilpin
JohnPhilpin

@ciaran take the 280 south out of SF to SJ ... but as someone said - beautiful despite / not because

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ciaran
ciaran

@JohnPhilpin Sure, there are some pretty places to drive.... That little scrap of I-15 that cuts through Arizona, I-5 around Mt. Shasta, the northern reaches of I-89 and I-91, even our local I-84 through the Columbia River Gorge can be breathtaking... (But all would be better without so many cars.)

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JohnPhilpin
JohnPhilpin

@ciaran sounds like a catch 22 to me

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JohnPhilpin
JohnPhilpin

@jamesshelley assume you mean natural environment?

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herself
herself

@ciaran This conversation reminds me of the Cees Nooteboom book, In The Dutch Mountains. The narrator is a road inspector from Spain, who waxes lyrical about roads in general, and how stories and roads are so similar to one another :)

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ciaran
ciaran

@herself That makes sense. Roads are a beautiful metaphor for nearly anything...  Roads, rivers, trails, paths...

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herself
herself

@ciaran yes, it is a lovely metaphor. I had never fancied roads (always preferring scenery without people), but Nooteboom makes a beautifully convincing argument in their favour :)

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