@toddgrotenhuis Thanks for this; I've ordered the book, which I hadn't heard of. 22 years ago, our "former delusion," as we say, was conservative Quaker. It wasn't all "delusion." :-)
@JMaxB As a forewarning, Zahnd writes in a poetic, not scholarly manner. Yoder and others probably present better arguments, but Zahnd has lots of strong sayings and images which I keep coming back to.
@toddgrotenhuis Zahnd was a speaker at Eighth Day Symposium three (I think) years ago. I did have some trouble locking in on the frequency he was broadcasting on.