Excellent conversation between Francis Fukuyama and Jonah Goldberg on the Remant podcast. Finally something — both substantively and tonally — that I can share with my political, uh… antagonists. For comparison: I’m a longtime listener of the Dangerous Dogma podcast, and I tried listening earlier this wee... tinyroofnail.micro.blog

@tinyroofnail Glad for this pointer. Will add it to my queue. I thought Freddie DeBoer’s recent naming of a similar phenomenon — “I’m right and here are my reasons, which should be sufficient as my commentary contribution” — was right on.

@tinyroofnail An excellent, insightful conversation. Thank you for sharing. Many ideas resonated, but today I am particularly struck by Jonah Goldberg’s point that an absence of gratitude (for liberal democracy) is a recipe for decay. “If you love your boat, you gotta scrape the barnacles.”

@ablerism Thanks for that link. I’m always happy when someone links to deBoer — he’s too prolific to be in my already overwhelmed reading list, so I’m grateful

@JimRain Ha! Yes, I chuckled and nodded at that line as well

@tinyroofnail Ha, yeah, it’s true. Also got halfway through the Goldberg/Fukuyama convo today walking to work. Good substantive convo, as advertised. Thanks.