colinwalker
colinwalker
I've been saying for years that IndieWeb technology needs to be simpler to implement. That's IndieWeb - one word. A number of people have linked to a post by Giles Turnbull saying Let's make the indie web easier. That's indie web — two words. There is overlap and the same principles apply. However, the IndieWeb is part of the independent web but not all of the independent web is IndieWeb. The IndieWeb website states it is a people-focused alternative to the "corporate web" and: "is a community of independent and personal websites connected by simple standards, based on the principles of: owning y... colinwalker.blog
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nsmsn
nsmsn

@colinwalker Couldn’t agree more. I moved from a static site to WordPress so I could participate in IndieWeb more easily. The IndieKit project looked promising until I realized I had to pay for and set up a separate server to get all that functionality.

I currently pay $150 for managed WordPress hosting, but that seems like a barrier too. Would gladly pay for a different service to run the protocols, CMS, host the website, etc. but give me access to the theme files and CSS. I’m a designer and I just want to write and design!

But I would love to see more non-techies and dare I say normies proliferate on the IndieWeb, too.

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pimoore
pimoore

@nsmsn @colinwalker Agreed with you both. The more options available that are accessible to everyone, the more people might just be inclined to write on their own domain that they control. Anything that takes away from the corporate silos is a good thing for the web—dare I say society in general, even. Despite the IndieWeb technology being complex, these are still simple principles that it rightly espouses when you peel those techie layers away.

…give me access to the theme files and CSS. I’m a designer and I just want to write and design!

So much this, and I would add keep them optional so those that want to dig in can do so, while leaving them otherwise tucked away.

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Dunk
Dunk

@colinwalker 🤷‍♂️ I don't get it. What is wrong with the web? Plain vanilla HTML is all you need. If we could persuade people to add hypertext links to their micro.blog posts it would be a major breakthrough. I fear these techie people are painting themselves into a corner. IndieAuth, Webmention, Micropub, WebSub, Microsub (whatever they are. Standards?) may well be difficult to implement but why would I want to? And don't get me started on that IndieMark nonsense 🤮. Who are these people they imagine are unable to set up their own sites? The intelligent university educated people I worked with before retiring will tell you that a web browser is "the Internet". That is all they know. That is all they need to know. They are, rightly, not interested in any of this other stuff - because it is not that interesting. As Groucho said....

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Dunk
Dunk

@colinwalker In days of yore (this was a time when you could buy an actual book that listed interesting web sites to visit) signing up with an ISP would provide you with some web space. The ISP would have an icon on your Desktop onto which you could drop your files and the shell script behind it would automagically upload them to your web space. Are there any hosts today that are geared towards personal sites? There is no market for them. Adding all this extra stuff is not going to change anything.

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