I’ve been trying Kagi for a few days, but my quick searches via Keyword Search not playing nice with it might be a deal breaker. Both use Safari Extensions (necessary for Kagi as the default engine), which I think crosses the wires. Might have to wait for Kagi to become a built-in default option. Update: ... jb.heydingus.net

@jarrod If it ever does, for which I'm not holding my breath.

@pimoore I’m decently confident. It seems to have gotten a toehold in the industry.

@jarrod Kagi supports !bangs out of the box - so you don't need that extension, really. (And it syncs with desktop!).

You can also setup up to 20 of them to not need the ! - so I just type "yt something" to search for something on YouTube.

I don't think you can make your own, I think K, but they support _tons_ of sites.

@havn I’ll look into that. Thanks for the heads up!

@pimoore I feel like if Ecosia is there (which is what I’ve been using for a few years), Kagi has to make the list soon enough.

@jarrod I think you’re the first person to mention using Ecosia full-time. How do you find it, and what made you choose it over alternatives like DDG?

@pimoore It’s been fine. Certainly as good as DDG or Bing in my opinion. I know DDG uses Bing for the backend, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Ecosia does too. The whole planting trees schtick got me. If I was going to see ads, I wanted to at least feel a little good about them. But I’ve grown tired of scrolling past ads to get to what I actually want to find…thus Kagi.

@havn You can make your own! I’ve set up my most used ones and they seem to be working no problem. I’ve disabled Keyword Search for now to see how it goes. Thanks again!

@jarrod Nice, great to hear! 😊
Kagi is truly one of my favourite tech products... But I still wonder what they have to do to get on that short list of engines Safari supports natively. Apple really shouldn't be as stingy about it.

@havn With all the hubbub around search engines and the rising popularity of Kagi, I would be surprised if it doesn’t make that shortlist next year. But yeah, I hope it doesn’t cost them a boatload of money to get there.

@jarrod @Havn Yes, let’s hope so. I wonder if Apple could start subscription based search as native options? I would be interested in that, if the price didn’t go up much.

@jarrod I mean, Apple claims to be really into privacy... 🙃

You'd think they at least do this little thing to make it easier for their users to not get tracked (_and_ not see ads) while using their products.

Safari is way better with Kagi, compared to both Google and DuckDuckGo.

@havn Ah yes, but Apple is also very into money, and we’ve recently learned that it gets a nearly 40% cut of every ad dollar that Google makes off Safari searches. I’m having a hard time squaring that direct benefit against their privacy morals.

But yes, in principle, I agree it would be an easy move for them to make and get to claim more choice/privacy.

@jarrod Haha, yeah I know... But adding Kagi to that list, wouldn't affect that deal at all, though.

@havn I hope Apple sees that too!