I truly wish the IndieWeb movement was much less of a hobby for the few who can afford to indulge in it.
@simonwoods So that we already had human-friendly, Generation 4 solutions widely available and deployed, presumably?
@smokey Yes. I believe a lot of people are ready to use alternatives to the silos but the alternatives need to be "ready to go", not "ready to go (with lots of PITA compromise)".
@simonwoods I agree. It has to be turn key. Most people never use anything but the default browser and default search engine that came with their OS, so even if a blogger is a little more sophisticated than that, we are still going to lose them every time we ask them to install a plugin, configure it and hope it all works and plays nice.
Right now the Indieweb seems like early Linux, before desktop Linux distros like Ubuntu were available. To much command line type stuff. // @smokey
Right now the Indieweb seems like early Linux, before desktop Linux distros like Ubuntu were available. To much command line type stuff.
Ha! I was thinking Mozilla before Camino and Firefox went 1.0—too much fiddly stuff in what was released, not enough user-friendlyness/UI design, and the apps that were user-friendly and designed for actual people (Camino/Firefox) still had a bunch of missing things (like—we couldn’t drag-and-drop into text fields properly until sometime in Camino 0.9 cycle!).
But also because, just like the IndieWeb, people had been working on Linux distros and Mozilla browsers for years, people wanted an alternative, and yet all that was available were still fiddly WIPs. The IndieWeb movement is going to be 10 next year… (We at least got to Camino 1.0 8 years after Mozilla was created and 4 years after Dave Hyatt started Camino itself!)
@hjertnes Pretty much what Smokey and Brad said.
The more serious work that goes into it, the more usable it will become for the majority of people. Micro.blog (and to a lesser extent, Mastodon) is a good example but it feels like too much of an outlier rather than the norm.
@smokey @bradenslen The iPad will also be 10... in a couple of months actually. Even on Micro.blog, one of the very few usable indie options, the silos are far ahead with regard to usability on an iPad (or iPhone for that matter).
I'm so happy that these options exist and of course especially happy about Micro.blog but I get this creeping feeling of fragility at the back of my head. IDK. Maybe it's just the misleading perception that the crowd is strong and durable.
@simonwoods I get what you are saying, and things should be easier. I enjoy Micro.blog (mostly) but I'm not doing any of the indieweb stuff on any of my other sites for reasons I'm not into discussing.
What I don't want is for Micro.blog to be mainstream.