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@Burk LOL, well put! I am an email app junkie, but got so exhausted with the constant churn that I gave up and just use Mail.app now. I don't like it, but its not going anywhere.

@cleverdevil hahah totally, there are sooo many. I like a lot of them, but for some reason they have all done weird things at one time or another that lead to email not being sent / received / found / searched / etc. Lost trust. It may not have all the extras but Mail.app has never failed me like the others.

@Burk I still use mutt.

@cleverdevil IF ONLY!! 🙏 (If anyone is listening, I'll match the $200!!)

@cleverdevil @Burk Mail.app + Sanebox has been my go to setup for a while now. The stability and basic features they give me mean I don't see me changing any time soon.

@chrispederick I am back on the same boat! Just got Sanebox renewed and reconfigured.

@Burk @cleverdevil The only real contender to Mail.app on macOS for me has been MailMate. It's the opposite of "distraction-free" email but so powerful. Dev is responsive, and thinks like a power user. freron.com/about/

@tgray I love mutt. Emacs kind of ruined it for be but every time I fire up mutt it makes me happy.

@cleverdevil Wouldn’t we all? 😃

@jack Oh, totally missed that one on the list!

@cleverdevil I am 100% on board with this. I wish I had the time to build something like that.

@cleverdevil I wouldn't pay $200/year, but I'd love a client like that. I'd add adherence to Apple's accessibility standards. I've found that most third-party email clients are pretty terrible in the accessibility department. Not many choices for screen reader users.

@jack Well put. While not quite perfect, I like MailMate a lot.

@jack Mutt works well with Vim 😬

@Lioncourt That’s really sad, given how well baked-into-Cocoa a11y stuff is (or has that degraded over the years, too?) :-(

@Burk are you me? I went through so many apps before realizing Mail.app was Good Enough™

@smokey If anything, accessibility has improved on macOS/Cocoa over the years. It's still tough to get devs to make even simple changes sometimes. Accessibility is nearly always an afterthought. Easier to get fixes on iOS though.

@zacitus hehe, I think we are all us! 🤣

@jack Ditto. Been on MailMate for a couple of years now. Being able to write in Markdown is probably my single favourite feature. I echo everything said about the developer.

@Lioncourt Glad to hear that accessibility has continued to improve in the OS, but it really sucks that it’s so hard to get Mac devs to make the simple changes :-( In my (admittedly limited) experience, it was pretty trivial to fix most failings in our custom UI bits (that was before Gecko was accessible to VoiceOver, so the fixes weren’t really helpful to anyone in practical terms, but it was still the right thing to do), and then we added a11y to our QA checklist for new UI.

@smokey To be fair, there are devs who have gone above and beyond—(e.g. the folks over at Literature and Latte). It's all down to our current culture. If a company can’t draw a straight line from an action to an increase in profitability, most will de-prioritize that action into oblivion. Extremist capitalism is what drives nearly everything these days. 😐

@Lioncourt Heh. I do like your term “extremist capitalism”; I’ll add it to my stable of terms to describe our current stage of capitalism.

@smokey Thanks. I started using that term during some political arguments I was involved in. IMO, any political ideology taken to an extreme is destructive to society. In the US, we are quick to demonize socialism and worship capitalism, leading to our current state of deterioration. What we should be striving for is a blend of the two. JMHO, of course.