davextreme
davextreme

An update to my annual Christmas playlist, A Eulogy for ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside.’ 🎵🎄

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DrOct
DrOct

@davextreme I applaud your change! I've actually read another article (http://persephonemagazine.com/2010/12/listening-while-feminist-in-defense-of-baby-its-cold-outside/) that convinced me that Baby It's Cold Outside doesnt' quite depict events the way they sound to the modern ear, but I agree the even in the best reading of it, the context in which it's happening is still messed up.

Also, even if you can get over all of that I think the way it comes across to a modern ear is also worth considering. It sure sounds like a date-rape to a modern listener, and unless someone gives a short lecture every time the song is played to explain all the references and the historical context, it's still going to contribute to the cultural idea that men should ignore a woman saying no and just keep pressuring women until they relent and say yes.

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DrOct
DrOct

@DrOct @davextreme (From a historical/cultural standpoint I think that last bit in the article I linked above about the "say what's in this drink" line is interesting and explains a lot, but I still don't put the song on any of my playlists for all of the above reasons)

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mjdescy
mjdescy

@davextreme My list starts and ends with “All I Want For Christmas is You” by Mariah Carey. 😀

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davextreme
davextreme

@mjdescy Right? I had the feeling for a while it wasn’t respected but in the past several years its staying power has been proven.

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mjdescy
mjdescy

@davextreme It is a classic in my house. 😀

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