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eli
eli
In reply to: Indieweb.xyz: Difficult or Silo? In a way, it’s a silo—a central info container. Silos make it easy. You go there and dump stuff in. But, here in the Indieweb, we want No Central. We want Decentral. Which is more difficult because all these little sites and blogs out there... eli.li
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simonwoods
simonwoods

@eli That looks like a great idea but it needs to be easier to contribute. Also, hopefully over time the feed will involve fewer articles about the IndieWeb. I mean, assuming we want more people to be interested, if not get involved; the harsh truth for us nerds is that most people don't have the time or energy for mastubatory musings.

eli
eli

@simonwoods hahahahaha. I agree, 100%. Submitting is a bit cumbersome. Mostly I liked the insight about the IndieWeb being a silo, because I think it is, but rather than a corporate silo it is a technical one. “You must be this technical to enter.”

simonwoods
simonwoods

@eli The level of self awareness within the endeavour is encouraging. I honestly don't think we'd see ideas like this if the people involved were not paying attention to the lessons arisen from the social web.

bradenslen
bradenslen

@simonwoods @eli it's a problem. When you harness Indieweb technology right now you get discussion of the Indieweb, because that is the primary subject on that niche community's mind. As the indieweb stuff gets more widely adopted I think subjects will diversify.

bradenslen
bradenslen

@eli Bingo. It is. But really just about everything not on your own site can be considered a silo. Web search, forums, social, news aggregators are all silos to some degree. Not all are bad and it helps if there are many rather than just one or two.

eli
eli

@bradenslen 100% agree. And I actually enjoy the IndieWeb community's collective navel gazing -- I think it is a good thing, while it can probably be a bit off putting for some, it is a sign of thinking things through. And, at the end of the day, it is what a lot of us enjoy talking about 🤷

bradenslen
bradenslen

@eli yeah, I enjoy it too. It's also part of the collabarative effort of getting things done.

simonwoods
simonwoods

@bradenslen @eli I don't think there's anything wrong with the discussions, just that they can reflect a lack of diversity in the ecosystem. I agree there will be plenty of change in this area, though, not least because I've already seen a wide variety of subjects being discussed on Micro.blog alone.

simonwoods
simonwoods

@kicks Agree that the complexity of replies and Webmentions is one of the big 'to-do' items for Micro.blog insofar as the open web side of things are concerned.

kicks
kicks

@simonwoods I'm not sure why my comment showed up here - rather than on @bradenslen's post. Micro.blog chose to repost the comment three times (one time even starting with @kicks!) So - thank you for replying even though my comment was totally out of context. :D

c
c

@bradenslen @simonwoods @eli Twitter was the same way. Everyone on Twitter spent the first three years talking about Twitter. Eventually the masses came and discussed everything else, but if you look, there are still people talking about Twitter. I notice the same thing with Mastodon and even micro.blog.

Part of it all is also those in the IndieWeb modeling behaviours and examples to others who might also say, "That's interesting. How did you do that? How can I do that?"

bradenslen
bradenslen

@c As you say, it's perfectly normal, especially for the pioneers who are taming the wilderness of a new space or concept. I actually like the Indieweb talk, as I lurk in Indie chat. I learn things and I see that very dedicated people are building something good. We grump about at times, but the simple fact of you writing a apost on your blog and I can comment on it on my blog and a copy shows up on your blog comments still just boggles my mind and I'm grateful to all of you for working so hard on it. Aside: Educators, Students and Academics are a perfect market for the Indieweb once they see it in action.

c
c

@bradenslen Have you not have seen my fingerprints all over this particular wiki page? ;) indieweb.org/wiki/inde...

bradenslen
bradenslen

@c Heh, the first paragraph gives you away! That is a very good page. I wrote my sentence wrong, I was just trying to confirm that I thought you and Greg had hit paydirt with your Education outreach. Perfect niche. I never would have thought of that on my own.

simonwoods
simonwoods

@c Agreed all-round. Just hope alternative subjects rise up quicker than usual, since we already have plenty of experience in these general spaces as compared to 10 years ago. I do think it's happening but also consider it an important piece in seeing the open web alternatives gain enough prominence to stand side-by-side with future closed web platforms.