I’m obsessed with Obsidian #obsidian https://obsidian.md/
I’m obsessed with Obsidian #obsidian https://obsidian.md/
@paulopinto I'll have to look into this one, but seems so over the top for me that I'll have to find a whole week to study it. Maybe in 2043.
@paulopinto I have it installed but haven't yet done anything with it. In what sort of ways are you using it?
@maique sorry for the late reply. I was deep into it. It's easy to use. So intuitive.
@herself I am beginning to explore it. I think I will build a Smart Note or a Second Brain system. Maybe both.
@paulopinto Nice! I've been using Zettlr for a while now (mostly zettelkasten notes though for a while I was using it for a daily log) after moving away from physical index cards (LOL). Would be interested to hear how your second brain progresses!
@herself sure! I am creating my P.A.R.A structure and will create folders after that. I have tons of stuff on notebooks and digital (Evernote, DevonThink, Bear, etc.). I need to stop colecting and store and start writing my own ideas and connecting my own ideas with concepts. I will let you know and maybe publish in the future.
@herself @paulopinto I was using The Archive for a long while, having come from nvAlt, dipping my toe into Zettlr from time to time. I tried Obsidian, but it didn’t really work for me, I think because it didn’t feel like a true Mac app to me. I’m now on the beta of nvUltra and enjoying it.
@crossingthethreshold I've used nvAlt in the past. It was a simple but trusty editor. Never heard about nvUltra
@paulopinto David Sparks (MacSparky) is all-in on Obsidian. There is a lot going in its favor over Roam. And there’s a new player that isn’t getting much traction yet but probably should because it has an iOS app: Hypernotes by Zenkit.
@gpittman thanks for letting me know. I know David. I have his Ominfocus tutorial videos. Obsidian will also have mobile apps but I'll take a look at Hypernotes.
@paulopinto awesome! I too have Devon think but it feels quite unwieldy now. The most exciting thing about those sorts of databases are when they give you weird combinations of results, but I think you need to have so much data in them before they start to surprise you.
@crossingthethreshold @paulopinto nvUltra is new to me! I loved nvAlt, went through all the problems with simple note, and wound up abandoning that. Even briefly flirted with some emacs nvAlt clones but then it wound up being all too much...
@herself you're absolutely right. We need a bunch of data before DT starts making relations between documents. I found myself several times using DT as a clipping tool which is completely wrong. I stumble upon a very interesting article describing a flux using DT and Obsidian. I think I will try that approach.
@herself @crossingthethreshold Recently I discovered Gemini protocol and began making notes with Gemini files, using Spacemacs. I have a set of information which can be used like a Wiki in a Gemini browser, and all the files are local.
@paulopinto When you say such things, you have to give the rest of us the link. It’s in the rules. Somewhere.
@herself @paulopinto Here is nvUltra. It is being developed by Brett Terpstra (nvAlt) and Fletcher Penney (MultiMarkdown). It has been in beta for a long time, but is almost ready to go live. An email to firstname.lastname@example.org got me an invite to join the beta. Perhaps try that if you are interested. Simplenotes intergration is not supported in nvUltra.
@paulopinto @herself I had not heard of Gemini or Spacemacs for that matter. This sounds interesting, though I don't know if I can give myself the time for the learning curve? 🤔
@crossingthethreshold @herself it's pretty straightforward. You use Spacemacs or any other editor to write your .gmi files. Gemini protocol is very simple (not so powerful as MarkDown but powerful enough). Then you need a Gemini browser. I use Lagrange. Then you just have to create your documents and relations. But as I found Obsidian, I'm beginning to use it for my Commonplace digital books, instead of using Gemini.
@crossingthethreshold @herself I know nvAlt because I was a Systematic unconditional follower. I found the Brett is reactivating the podcast again, which is great.
@crossingthethreshold @herself @paulopinto This looks really interesting, I’d love to see this come to iOS/iPadOS as well.
@peterimoore @crossingthethreshold @herself It will, as they say in their webpage.
@peterimoore Obsidian has such a nice set of plugins
@paulopinto I’m keeping my eye on Obsidian as I’m iOS only, but their site indicates they’re working on a mobile app so that’s good news. I love seeing more options coming to the note taking space.
@peterimoore @herself @paulopinto the nvUltra discussions forums promise an iOS version. No timeline yet.
@paulopinto Thank you for the explanation. Appreciated.
@crossingthethreshold you're welcome. Let's keep the conversation alive.
@paulopinto That sounds really interesting (DT & Obsidian)... but I suspect my interest is greater than my prospective use :D
@crossingthethreshold Hehe good! Simplenotes made me bananas :D
@paulopinto I didn't know that he did a podcast. I’ll take a look.
@herself Interest is always something worthing even if there is no prospective use.
@crossingthethreshold Yes, he does. Systematic was a must for me a few years ago.
@crossingthethreshold try Craft. They have iOS version.
@paulopinto I played with Craft a few weeks back and couldn't get into it. Your post made me return to both the Mac OS and iOS versions. It still does not work for me. I just work best wish simple text files and visible Markdown syntax. Nothing against Craft, just what works best for me.
One other app I have used has been Bear. I liked it, I still do. My move to nvUltra has been because I want to move away from my notes being kept in a data base, and move them to plain text. I have been considering another look at Obsidian because I am interested in back linking and the changing of file names. I have tried Zettelkasten methods, but while I can see their usefulness, it feels like another layer of complexity to me.
@crossingthethreshold The good thing about your method of keeping text notes in Markdown is that, like you said, they're with you and not in someone else's database. And that's why Obsidian is great; it uses your files.
I keep hearing lots of things about nvUltra, and I'm glad to see you're using the beta. But it has been in beta for so long that I consider it to be vaporware and even when Brett releases it, I'll likely avoid it because of the sloppy, haphazard rollout.
@gpittman I hear you about the rollout of nvUltra. I applied for the beta I think back in 2019 - time has disappeared down a vortex due to the pandemic, so I cannot be sure when…just a long time ago! I never heard back, gave up waiting for the first release and went elsewhere. Wanting to get back to text files made me re-apply and I got in this time, a couple of months ago.
To my untutored eye, nvUltra feels ready for prime time to me. I can't speak to why of the further delays. I have asked myself if I want to use an app that seems to be taking so long to launch. What does that look like going forward? It feels like a good, solid product - in essence nvAlt wrapped up with MultiMarkdown Editor.
Do you use Obsidian?
@gpittman @crossingthethreshold yes, it's a good practice to have our notes in our storage devices and not in somenone's server. Obsidian has a bunch of magical plugins that makes my workflow an easy task. And the community is always programming new ones. It's amazing.
@crossingthethreshold @gpittman For apps like Draft, Bear, Ulysses, et. al, is there no way to access the underlying text files within the database? If the purpose of the database is to provide some of the additional functionality, that’s not a concern if you can get the data.
@peterimoore @gpittman What I say here, I consider just a personal take on the structure of apps like Drafts, Bear & Ulysses - how they fit (or don’t) into my workflow.
Drafts - I see that as a text in/text out app and so the database does not bother me. It is a place where I work on text for another destination.
Bear & Ulysses - I like their functionality. I have used both of them for a while and they both offer easy ways to export documents to plain text files. I just find that if I need a lot of files quickly, there is another layer of exporting and importing to do. Some people will not be bothered by that. I am keeping an eye on Bear which is working on a new editor and a web based version.
For now I have decided to move to straight text based.
@peterimoore For Drafts, absolutely. Apps like Bear, Ulysses, and Craft store their notes in their own databases but they do make it easy to extract them; they don't keep them inextricably siloed. iA Writer creates distinct notes that live on your drive. In fact, that makes it the perfect partner for Obsidian until (and maybe even after) there is an Obsidian app for iOS. Obsidian can see Markdown files stored in specificed folders and iA Writer can write Markdown files to those folders.
@crossingthethreshold You absolutely cannot go wrong with that decision. Even the strongest apps can disappear (look what happened to Evernote). But your text files will always be there.
@gpittman iA Writer and Ulysses always seem to get compared, the database (or lack there of) being one of the points. More important, I think, is your use case; if you’re looking to do long form book writing, I believe Ulysses is the clear winner. iA can do it, but not as well.