djlink@mastodon.gamedev.place
djlink@mastodon.gamedev.place

Only one can exist!

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Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place
Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place

@djlink Oh my god, FF VI over ALttP? Blasphemy! This poll is cursed! Quickly, change its votes!

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belghast@gamepad.club
belghast@gamepad.club

@djlink so this is really hard for me... because I feel like if I am judging it just on the games themselves I have a clear answer...

However many of the games served as inspiration for games that came later that I would absolutely NOT want to cease to exist >.>

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VileLasagna@mastodon.gamedev.place
VileLasagna@mastodon.gamedev.place

@Nifflas @djlink alttp only has lingering value through randomizers. FF VI actually has an engaging story (I mean, this IS Zelda's greatest weakness, tho)

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Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place
Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place

@VileLasagna @djlink I consider that ALttP's strength! I want to adventure, explore, smash some pots and fight some monsters.

Same reason I loved BotW/TotK so much! They finally moved away from the heavy plot stuff that was weighing the series down since it went 3D.

FF VI may have a good story, but I'm not actually enjoying playing it or exploring in it.

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Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place
Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place

@VileLasagna @djlink Plus, when it comes to interesting stories, Chrono Trigger and Earthbound are the ones I love from the SNES days :)

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VileLasagna@mastodon.gamedev.place
VileLasagna@mastodon.gamedev.place

@Nifflas @djlink CT is a banger, for sure.

As for story in Zelda, to me that the problem is that they're non-committal about what they do have. They never want Link to be a character so when they try to make the story ABOUT Link, it's awful. OoT suffers TREMENDOUSLY from this, BotW would be an immediately way better game if they just remove Link from every cutscene and dialogue mention. It's really frustrating [+1]

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Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place
Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place

@VileLasagna Oh OoT is a terrible game imo, but I don't like the pre-BotW 3D Zeldas at all.

I have no problem with BotW's cutscenes including Link tho. I just... never thought about that at all.

To me, Link should not have an arc or character development tho. To me, he's just in his element when adventuring and fighting monsters and wearing stunning outfits is all he lives for.

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VileLasagna@mastodon.gamedev.place
VileLasagna@mastodon.gamedev.place

@Nifflas To me it just SUCKS in BotW when you have, ostensibly the best Zelda there, pouring her heart out, going through this whole story of expectations and responsibility...

But then Link is in the cutscene as well and the entirety of his character is

"My sword is so cool.... woosh! Check out my cool sword!.... yeah!... I'm cool sword guy"

The whiplash is brutal

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Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place
Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place

@VileLasagna But, that's who Link is though. imo if Link has to change, or the story has to go, I'd sacrifice the story any time.

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Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place
Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place

@VileLasagna Plus, TotK handled it better by not including Link in Zelda's segments! \o/

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VileLasagna@mastodon.gamedev.place
VileLasagna@mastodon.gamedev.place

@Nifflas You CAN keep both, you just need to boot Link out of the story. This, to me, is why Majora's worked so well. You're allowed to engage in all of the different stories BECAUSE you're an external observer.

It's kind of the same problem in Breath of Fire 4, a game that will never leave my mind. I'll be rolling in my grave forever mad about it, lol

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VileLasagna@mastodon.gamedev.place
VileLasagna@mastodon.gamedev.place

@Nifflas Still need to play it. Been so much to go through recently =P

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Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place
Nifflas@mastodon.gamedev.place

@VileLasagna True! TotK handled that better for that very reason.

I just wasn't very bothered by it in BotW in the first place. I'm just glad they put so little focus on story/character arcs. I hope they never add in more of it in future Zeldas.

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