philbowell
philbowell

So 1Password just released a new version of their Mac app. Seems like they are really pushing you towards the subscription model, but something about that just makes me feel uncomfortable.

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jemostrom
jemostrom

@philbowell 🤨 mmm, the first thing I did when saw the announcement was to check if they still supported WiFi sync etc

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Bruce
Bruce

@philbowell @jemostrom From their posts earlier in the year, I had more faith that they would continue to support standalone licenses. But now it feels like this will probably be the last version that isn't subscription only.

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Bruce
Bruce

@philbowell @jemostrom I do have a family subscription because it makes it far easier to help non-technical relatives, but it still makes me sad that AgileBits is moving in this direction.

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jemostrom
jemostrom

@Bruce @philbowell in addition to the subscription thing I’ve also noticed that I’m trying to avoid storing things on “US servers”, I use a few services but way fewer than I used to.

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Bruce
Bruce

@philbowell @jemostrom I do trust their posts about their encryption. From what they've said, it's impossible from them to get access to your vaults. If you forget your master password, you have to start from scratch—there's nothing they can do.

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Bruce
Bruce

@philbowell @jemostrom If you trust what they say, the only way into your vaults is brute force decryption. With a strong enough master password, you should be safe. They've also said the methods they use to encrypt really slow down brute force attacks.

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philbowell
philbowell

@jemostrom yeh, it’s very hard to find any info on their site about alternate methods of both sync and purchasing the app itself.

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philbowell
philbowell

@Bruce yep, there seems to be very little info on non-subscription use of the app on their site.

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philbowell
philbowell

@Bruce @jemostrom it’s less about that and more about trusting one company with all my passwords and the feeling that gives me. The trouble is I’ve been using the app for so many years I wouldn’t know how to handle all my passwords without it.

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Bruce
Bruce

@philbowell KeyPass? It's not native to macOS, but it'll run via mono or wine. Also, it's open source.

I need to double check, but I think 1Password on the Mac may make local backups of your subscription vaults. So even if AgileBits goes away, you'll have your data.

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BestofTimes
BestofTimes

@philbowell I totally agree. I’m usually happy to subscribe but I’m not clear on what I get for this.

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Bruce
Bruce

@BestofTimes Free use and updates to all their apps, access via a secure website, and (for family/teams) easy sharing and access control. For less technical members of a family, you can get them back in if they forget their master password. Of course, no one can do so for you.

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Bruce
Bruce

@BestofTimes I've got no connection to AgileBits and was happy with the standalone version until I needed to help my mother with computer security.

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jemostrom
jemostrom

@philbowell @bruce same here, although I’ve done the switch once before (to 1Password) and that was an improvement. And I pretty much trust Agilebits the company but not the US the county 😏

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Bruce
Bruce

@jemostrom I don't know anything about the company, but found this password app via Vector's show notes (not endorsed by them, but through the import instructions on their sponsor's website). It's made by a US company, but you can sync via WebDAV on your own server. And they don't seem to have their own subscription service, unlike most of the competitors.

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