@pratik I agree! I said the same thing over on Mastodon because one user I followed (but unfollowed as a result) was all over that topic yesterday. Print and digital media do not have quote posts, so there can’t possibly be an existential crisis that Mastodon needs to solve by implementing that feature. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see how quote posts—very specifically quote posts—help journalists or underserved communities, as is often argued, in any significant, equalizing way.
@pratik @help Don't have to reply until after the holidays.
I had scheduled this post for this time but then edited it and had it scheduled for a few days later. It still appears in the Drafts section of Micro.blog > Posts. But it seems it got published to the timeline on the originally-scheduled date & time. I can access it via the permalink to my blog, but strangely, it doesn't appear on the front page of my blog. I'm assuming it will show on the newly scheduled date.
This might be a bug when you change posts' scheduled date/time.
@pratik Also, I love your theme. I’ve been going back and forth about whether to create my own theme from scratch using a CSS framework I’d like to learn (Bootstrap, probably). But then I realize it would end up looking so much like a lot of the great ones I see and, apart from the experience, I don’t really need to learn a new CSS framework. So I waffle back and forth about spending that kind of time and energy.
@gdp I think it's just what they were used to so when they switched and they didn't have that option immediately, it breaks their workflow. Instead of adapting to what the new platform offers, they are asking for Twitter-like features which ironically is the reason Mastodon exists. We don't need the journalists on Mastodon but they sure need to be where most people are.
We don't need the journalists on Mastodon but they sure need to be where most people are.
Yes. If a significant part of their intended audience is on Mastodon, they’re not leaving, quote posts or not.
@gdp @pratik I think this is wrong. Native wuoting provides attribution and sourcing of somone else's content with a charcater penalty equivalent to a link without the user experience penalty of a link. I think that's especially inportant to journalists, but also very useful for any platform whose goal is conversation. I don't find journalist clamoring for it half as abrasive as the 90% of Mastodon who seems to think not CW every post means you are a monster, or that crossposting is evil.
@jsonbecker I definitely understand the desire for quote posting. But it just isn’t at all the existential crisis some are making it out to be. Mastodon already has nearly double the character limit Twitter imposes. If the audience is on Mastodon, journalists aren’t going to leave just because they have to type quotes and links by hand.
@help Thanks and yup, no rush. BTW it did show up on my blog's front page. But the issue of the edit of the scheduled data is still an issue.
@jsonbecker @gdp I disagree with the abrasive ones who liken them to a monster. What bothers me more is the rush and immediate demand to make a new space like that space you left. Maybe Mastodon will have quote-tooting in the future but let's just settle down and see what options emerge. Quote-tweeting had plenty of downsides, too, which I'm afraid haven't affected the journalists, so there's a lack of empathy.
The platform makes its principles clear by making it just a tad difficult but not impossible to do something that it suggests shouldn't be done. This is similar to Micro.blog not supporting images in replies natively.
@jsonbecker @gdp Oops! I didn't notice that. Here's the link to the original post. They have written more about the topic on their profile.
@pratik @gdp fwiw, while I appreciate the share, I think it is deeply unconvincing because it fails to tell an important alternative plausible story— reposts are more natural when agreeing. Disagreements or argument (not necessarily a bad thing!) come with the context a native quote allows. There’s a reason that “RT are not endorsements” is silly, because reposting as amplification only allows endorsement. Quoting enables both sides, and the opposite of endorsement is not harassment.
Amplification methods always lead to outgroup exposure which is the main way that harassment and ganging happens. If you’re going to have any amplification, you’re going to have this problem. Quoting is the better version of amplification anyway. Frankly, we’d see a lot less reflexive amplification with the friction of needing to have something to say.
@jsonbecker My "keep Twitter useful for me" recipe included a timeline filter in Tweetbot that weeded out RTs. I initially had QTs in the filter, too, but found they were actually useful most of the time. RTs felt like the real poison to me, less from a "this is harmful to one specific person" vantage and more from a "this is just a delivery vehicle for thought-terminating clichés, most extreme examples, and safest way to say 'yeah, that'" point of view.
