jack
jack

It’s been fits and starts for years in my attempts at creating a wiki with TiddlyWiki. I love the idea, but all I have to show for it is this.

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sproutlight
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@fiona That is utterly fascinating to me. I’ve been putting things into Scapple-based mindmaps lately as they come up (I prefer how Scapple doesn’t require a hierarchy to traditional mindmaps that inpost that structure). This seems like a while different level of interlocking thoughts.

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amit
amit

@jack I have fiddled with TiddlyWiki ever since I saw @eli use it for the micro.blog resources. I liked the simplicity of capturing thoughts and putting out there. I even ran it as a journal for some time. But just didn't work out. May be there's a limit to the number of places I can simply put down my thoughts at :-)

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bradenslen
bradenslen

@jack I too want to create a wiki. Actually, if you don't need it online there is WikidPad For online the two most promising ones seem to be Dokuwiki and PmWiki or it seems most hosting accounts have those as one button install options. My goal is to really study the differences between those two this week.

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canion
canion

@jack I bought VoodooPad years ago when it was still a Flying Meat product. Never managed to find a use either. I like the concept of wikis more than the actual implementation.

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jack
jack

@amit I love the idea of TiddlyWiki, but I'm not sure it's what I want. In fact I'm not sure a wiki is what I want. Ok, yes it is :). At least some version of one.

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jack
jack

@bradenslen The top, non-TiddlyWiki contender is Dokuwiki. I think I've tried most of them over the years. Still thinking through the requirements. Curious to hear what you learn.

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jack
jack

@canion I loved VoodooPad as a personal wiki. I'm thinking about online options this time. I dig wikis for personal use, but not so much for things like documentation, etc.

I read somewhere once that "wiki" is the Hawaiian word for "Can't find shit" :)

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bradenslen
bradenslen

@jack Thanks for the tip on Dokuwiki, that is good to know. My biggest hangup on plunging into The Wiki Zone seems to be markup vs. WYSIWYG html editor. What I like about both Dokuwiki and Pmwiki is they don't require a SQL database. Nice and simple.

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eli
eli

@jack enterL philosopher.life 20mb of TiddlyWiki

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jack
jack

@eli That's exactly what got me thinking about TiddlyWiki again! What I'd like is a server (node) based install that I can edit but is read only for everyone else. Haven't found a way to do that yet. I don't want to edit locally and push changes.

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bradenslen
bradenslen

@jack I think you are right, of the two, Dokuwiki is the way to go. It is simple but powerful and has plenty of plugins.

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grayareas
grayareas

@jack Yeah, I’d really like to create a wiki for a personal knowledge-base. But I want one I can work on via computer, iPad, or web. Haven’t been able to settle on a software that gives me exactly what I’m looking for. Something like VoodooPad — that I could access much more flexibly — is what I’m looking for, I guess.

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grayareas
grayareas

@jack Has anyone here played around with creating a wiki in Bear?

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eli
eli

@grayareas @jack it might not be exactly what you are looking for, but I use www.dokuwiki.org and am wicked pleased.

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jack
jack

@grayareas Bear does a pretty good job with linking so i'd think it could be used as a sort of wiki

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jack
jack

@eli @grayareas I've been looking at the next release of TiddlyWiki and am hopeful. It can easily be run as a Node server and adds authentication so I can edit from anywhere and anonymous users get a read only, pared down UI.

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grayareas
grayareas

@eli The last time I was nosing around this subject I think DokuWiki was next on my list to explore. I tried TrunkNotes first, which I liked a lot, but it is iOS only. If anyone here is looking for an iPhone/iPad wiki, I recommend TN. Thanks for sharing your endorsement of DW, @eli. Makes me think I was on the right track.

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grayareas
grayareas

@jack I may try to devise a Bear wiki that I use to organize information I need to reference regularly and on the go. Like work stuff that I always seem to forget and have to dig through emails for. 💡

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humdrum
humdrum

@grayareas have you seen Notion? Accessible everywhere and seems more purpose built for that. I’ve had it on my phone for awhile but haven’t taken the time to play around with it yet.

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grayareas
grayareas

@Kordumb Thanks! Hadn’t heard of it. I’ll check it out.

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soypunk
soypunk

@jack I wish Bear had a way to link to a note's UUID rather than the note's title.

I'm iOS only so I'll throw some other notes out:

  1. VoodooPad for iOS is... incomplete at best but I have hope for VP6.
  2. TrunkNotes is good but Dropbox only (I want iCloud Drive support.) The dev is very responsive. The lua feature is awesome.
  3. Kiwi Wiki is also good but Dropbox only: github.com/landakram...
  4. FWIW, Noteplan supports Bear-style note links: noteplan.co - while this doesn't solve the problem with changing the page names Noteplan does a number of nice "plain-text" agenda-y things that make up for this saddness.

(The only plain-text way to work around the "renamed page" issue I'm aware of is to use generated note IDs via Shortcuts, Drafts 5, or textexpander.)

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soypunk
soypunk

@soypunk I'm curious about the new node-based TiddlyWiki. I wonder if I could run it on Glitch or something. I could spin up a node server on my cloud VM too I guess. Have you tried the node approach yet?

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soypunk
soypunk

@soypunk Answering my own question concerning glitch.me, I found this dat-tiddlywiki.glitch.me - so that's an option!

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soypunk
soypunk

@soypunk (Oh and I see TiddlyWiki suffers from the same problem with renaming "tiddlers" and breaking links. Ahhh well.)

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jeremycherfas
jeremycherfas

@grayareas I’m not sure it qualifies as a wiki but I have been very happy with plaintext, first in no, then nvALT and now The Archive. Each makes internal linking easy and can be easily accessed from any device. Is that a wiki? I think of it as an outboard memory.

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jack
jack

@soypunk Yes, the renaming issue is unfortunate. The Archive handles this by using links as searches and promotes using the Zettelkasten method which works but can feel forced to me.

For personal notes and links, etc. I use Org Mode. The wiki I'm considering will be online, so I'm starting by looking at web-based options.

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humdrum
humdrum

@grayareas let me know your thoughts if you end up using it.

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grayareas
grayareas

@Kordumb Will do.

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grayareas
grayareas

@jeremycherfas Yeah, I think nvALT let's you create a kind of wiki via page links like Bear does. They're on my list too.

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bradenslen
bradenslen

@jack If you don't mind sharing your notes and letting others fork them you might look at Federated Wiki fed.wiki.org/view/welc...

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jack
jack

@bradenslen I love the idea of Federated Wiki but don't know much about it. Thanks for suggesting it, I'll take a closer look.

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sproutlight
sproutlight

@fiona It’s been a few weeks, but I wanted to say thank you for this link. It made me think about the relationship between the form of how we store our information and the use of it. Since reading that, I’ve been exploring alternative ways to store/organize info, and right now I’m trying out TheBrain, which while a bit pretensiously named, is a mindmapping tool that lets you cross link across trees and include links to actual files. Time will tell if it does what I want, but I’m feeling hopeful.

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jack
jack

@sproutlight I've been using TheBrain for years and I have not found anything better at letting me just jump in, search a topic, click something, and instantly understand what I was thinking and the context in which I was thinking it. I'd like to hear how your test turns out.

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seishonagon
seishonagon

@jack do you also use DEVONThink? And if so, do you link it to the Brain?

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jack
jack

@seishonagon I decided years ago to not keep files inside TheBrain, so I keep everything in DEVONthink and add links to them in TheBrain. Exports in recent versions (v10) of TheBrain have improved a lot so I may loosen that rule. I tend to think of TheBrain as the thing that ties all the other stuff together. The more thoughts and links I put into it the more useful it becomes.

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sproutlight
sproutlight

@jack So far it seems very useful. I have files in dropbox and Google drive that I’ve been linking to with the share links, mostly saved academic articles. I’ve been, in fits and spurts, linking in readings to names of courses, their authors, some key areas of theory, and then cross-linking support and critiques. I’ve been feeling for a while like readings from years ago were dropping away, and this seems to be a potential solution for keeping information in way that is explorable. My complaint right now is that Papers is kind of a dead weight—maybe this will be my push to also mover over to Zotero.

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